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Why I am not voting Pirate
FEATURE ARTICLE
Fabian A. Scherschel
Posted on May 9th, 2012
I have already voted in the federal state diet elections in North Rhine-Westphalia which will take place on Sunday (I tend to use the postal vote system as I find it more convenient than running to a ballot on my day off). Contrary to what many people might guess, I have not voted the Pirate Party. After being ignored by the mainstream press for the majority of its existence, possibly due to the fact that the large publishing and broadcast companies did not at all enjoy its initially very copyright reform happy agenda, the German branch of the Pirate Party has been bathing in hype and media attention for months now. To the point where opinion polls are claiming it will be the third most popular party nationwide. I was initially very supportive of the party and even angry when it seemed like the mainstream press was boycotting any reporting on it, but as time has moved on I have become more and more weary to the point where I now consider the German Pirate Party unelectable myself.
The reasons for my change of heart are diverse. Let’s begin with why I was supporting the party initially: Copyright and patent reform as well as a staunch anti-DRM stance and emphasis on freedom of speech, freedom of the internet and open access were all points I very much identify with. After all, the Pirate Party used to be so much in favour of copyright reform, that even RMS was worried. Sadly, there aren’t many mentions of copyright and patent reform left in the electoral manifesto. The Pirate Party is still saying it wants to reform copyright, but it is saying this very softly. Their representatives are constantly downplaying this aspect of the party in public debates. I completely understand why this is happening. To become a popular party that wants to have even the slightest chance to be part of any administration, wide-reaching copyright and patent reforms have to be de-emphasised. The Pirate Party has learned that the rights holders are a powerful lobbying group that directly or indirectly controls most of the media organisations in Germany. Even Google had to learn the hard way that you do not mess with GEMA without having powerful friends. So cries for a copyright and patent reform and anti-DRM activism has to be tuned down. I understand this. If these were the only arguments against voting the Pirate Party, they’d still have my vote.
Unfortunately, there are other arguments against voting orange, as it where. There’s the persistent right wing tendencies. Something that I will not tolerate from any party. Freedom of speech is one of the most important things to fight for but it does not excuse electing borderline Nazis into the leading cadre of your party. Nor is the fact that you could not expel the member in question because a legal procedure did not succeed an argument that I will let stand. There are other ways to throw undesirable people out of your party, usually peer pressure works very well. But that is beholden to the fact that the majority of your members actually want the person gone. For a party that so obviously thrives on left wing ideas as the German Pirates, I find this whole situation perplexing and extremely irritating. Bodo Thiesen was my first tangible reason never to vote them.
Then there was the whole incest debate. Basically, the German Pirate Party opposed a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights which had said that the German ban on sex between siblings is legal. The statements by Pirate Party officials in this case were so eye-watering and obviously devoid of any scientific grasp of the medical and biological facts surrounding the issues that I lost almost all of my remaining confidence in the party. Please note that I am opposing the Pirate Party decision not out of some misguided prudery but because there is serious evidence, both based in historical research and biological science, to suggest that siblings having offspring together is a very bad idea. And anyone who tells me that this case was just about sex, not having offspring, should look at teenage pregnancy rates and ponder really hard if we should leave such a decision up to the potential parents. And I haven’t even addressed the psychological issues that the children would face yet. No, I can not vote for a party that publishes statements like the one in this case without consulting with some party members that actually know what they are talking about in the area that is being debated. The Pirate Party obviously is not in a habit of doing that since there is no other way I can possibly think of to explain its erratic decisions in situations like this. And this wasn’t the only time I have seen such unpredictable behaviour. Which brings me to my biggest point of contention with the Pirate Party.
I have come to understand over the past few months that my biggest problem with this party is their fascination with direct democratic action and referendums. Maybe it is down to me having studied history for way too long, but I’m not a fan of direct democracy at all. From 1789 onwards it has been proven again and again that this approach does not work. Especially not in a country with more than 80 million inhabitants. There is a reason that the political system of the Federal Republic of Germany is structured the way it is: because it generally works. It has always been in fashion to complain about how it doesn’t work, of course, but I’m not buying the claim that the alternative which the Pirate Party is presenting is better. The party seems to have a tendency of wanting to change things just for the benefit of changing things, which I find extremely short sighted and naive. Let me be blunt and as clear as possible: People are generally stupid. The bigger of a subsection of the population you sample, the lower the average intelligence will be. We do not really want all of these people to have a direct say in the general policy making of our country on a mere whim. That is the last thing I want, in fact. Our country actually benefits from having certain barriers in place that limit the decision making process within the political system to a relatively small number of individuals. It always has. This might not be a popular opinion, especially with those believing in a perfect world and the basic goodness within every member of society, but I believe that it is the truth. You might think me an abhorrent elitist because I believe these things, but I am willing to accept that verdict. That is, essentially, what the detailed study of history, politics and sociology will do to a person. You start to recognise why certain patterns exist in our governance structures. It isn’t all “the man keepig us down.” The Pirate Party with all their online platforms and wikis will soon discover, and to a certain extend they have seen this already, that direct democracy doesn’t scale. You can’t apply an open source software development model to a political party. That isn’t how things work.
I am not saying that our political system is perfect. Far from it. But I will always vote for the boring party that actually proposes sane policies over the exiting one that is en vogue because it wants to change everything. Right now, the German Pirate Party is all talk and no action. The new head of the organisation has recently even doubted that he is fit to lead the party because “all that power might change him”. This from a party that is not actually involved in a single administration within Germany and only has relatively few seats in a few parliaments on the most local level of government. Power? Your attitude might change if you ever attain actual leverage, but your party is so unpredictable right now that it is impossible for me to say what you will do in the next two months, let alone five years. So no, I am afraid I won’t vote Pirate in the foreseeable future. Let’s revisit this decision when the Pirate Party has made some actual decisions under circumstances that are, in fact, important.
I did like the Pirate Party when it was a feisty bunch of upstarts, too idealistic for their own good, fighting for intelligent ideas. Right now it is a populistic mess filled with people of incredible hubris who do themselves exactly what they so often protest the “traditional” parties do: talk a lot of talk without actually walking the walk.
Κριτική...
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- Εγγραφή: 28 Νοέμ 2011, 18:17
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Κριτική...
1. Προστασία της ιδιωτικής ζωής .
2. Μεταρρύθμιση της νομοθεσίας για το copyright.
3. Αλλαγές στην Ευρωπαϊκή νομοθεσία για τις πατέντες.
+1. Διαφάνεια της Δημόσιας Διοίκησης.
2. Μεταρρύθμιση της νομοθεσίας για το copyright.
3. Αλλαγές στην Ευρωπαϊκή νομοθεσία για τις πατέντες.
+1. Διαφάνεια της Δημόσιας Διοίκησης.
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Re: Κριτική...
TL;DR για όσους βαριούνται.
talk a lot of talk without actually walking the walk: δάσκαλε που δίδασκες και λόγο δεν εκράτεις.
Κατ' εμέ έχει δίκιο.
talk a lot of talk without actually walking the walk: δάσκαλε που δίδασκες και λόγο δεν εκράτεις.
Κατ' εμέ έχει δίκιο.
Ε.Δ.Α.Π.Ε. The truth is out there.
Re: Κριτική...
zio_donnie έγραψε:TL;DR για όσους βαριούνται.
talk a lot of talk without actually walking the walk: δάσκαλε που δίδασκες και λόγο δεν εκράτεις.
Κατ' εμέ έχει δίκιο.
Μπορείς να γίνεις λίγο πιο συγκεκριμένος;
Εγώ από ότι κατάλαβα είναι εναντίον της άμεσης δημοκρατίας επειδή οι περισσότεροι άνθρωποι στην χώρα της είναι χαζοί. Κατά την γνώμη μου ένας λόγος που είναι χαζοί είναι γιατί δεν έχουν κανέναν λόγο στις πολιτικές αποφάσεις. Σίγουρα η άμεση δημοκρατία έχει τα προβλήματά της αλλά το επιχείρημα ότι δεν θα λειτουργήσει λόγο των πολλών πολιτών νομίζω καταρρίπτεται από τις δυνατότητες του Internet. Επίσης πιστεύω ότι το μοντέλο ανάπτυξης ενός Open Source software μπορεί να εφαρμοστεί σε ένα πολιτικό κόμμα και έτσι θα έπρεπε να είναι. Εγώ θα συμφωνήσω μόνο σε ένα κομμάτι. Με αυτό το σύστημα πολλές αποφάσεις δεν απολαμβάνουν την προσοχή που απαιτούν. Χρειάζεται να ρωτάμε και λίγο την επιστήμη πριν σχηματίσουμε άποψη για ένα θέμα.
Επίσης έχω δύο απορίες. Έχει το αδελφό κόμμα της Γερμανίας Ναζί; Και ποια θέση πήραν στο θέμα με το σεξ ανάμεσα σε αδέλφια;
Re: Κριτική...
Άθλιο άρθρο, γεμάτο τυπικές χιλιοειπωμένες ψευτιές και προπαγάνδες κατά της δημοκρατίας.
Οι γερμανοί πειρατές ΔΕΝ έχουν δημοκρατία, γιαυτό και τα έχουν κάνει ΣΚΑΤΑ!
Ας μην ξεχνάμε επίσης ότι αποφάσεις για θέματα της κοινωνίας, αφορούν όλους τους πολίτες και όχι μόνο τα πειρατικά κομματόσκυλα. Η δημοκρατία των κομματόσκυλων όπως εφαρμόζεται στους γερμανούς, ακόμα και αν εφαρμοστεί με τον δημοκρατικά θεωρητικώς καλύτερο τρόπο, είναι από την οπτική γωνία των πολιτών ένας ακόμα χυδαίος φασισμός.
Εδω ισχύει κατά γράμμα αυτό που λέμε και επαναλαμβάνουμε συνεχώς, ότι στην άμεση δημοκρατία η αποχή από ηλίθιες προτάσεις-θέσεις που μπαίνουν σε ψηφοφορία, είναι όχι μόνο δικαίωμα αλλά και υποχρέωση του κάθε σκεπτόμενου πολίτη.
Οι γερμανοί πειρατές ΔΕΝ έχουν δημοκρατία, γιαυτό και τα έχουν κάνει ΣΚΑΤΑ!
Ας μην ξεχνάμε επίσης ότι αποφάσεις για θέματα της κοινωνίας, αφορούν όλους τους πολίτες και όχι μόνο τα πειρατικά κομματόσκυλα. Η δημοκρατία των κομματόσκυλων όπως εφαρμόζεται στους γερμανούς, ακόμα και αν εφαρμοστεί με τον δημοκρατικά θεωρητικώς καλύτερο τρόπο, είναι από την οπτική γωνία των πολιτών ένας ακόμα χυδαίος φασισμός.
Εδω ισχύει κατά γράμμα αυτό που λέμε και επαναλαμβάνουμε συνεχώς, ότι στην άμεση δημοκρατία η αποχή από ηλίθιες προτάσεις-θέσεις που μπαίνουν σε ψηφοφορία, είναι όχι μόνο δικαίωμα αλλά και υποχρέωση του κάθε σκεπτόμενου πολίτη.
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